I am thinking..

[depressedcrow21]

I am cuttign out all the bad stuff the best i can. I am trying to work out more but my knee is hurting so bad. The doc said something about my hamstring nd the muscles around. If I walk to long my knee gets stiff where I can't mocve it. I am haveign troble keeping the weight down. Know I am thinking about haveing the gastric bypass.

[talon]

no, your not thinking about getting that done. its that simple, unless there is no alternative and you are going to die, dont consider this option.

Gastric bypass surgeries may cause dumping syndrome. This occurs when food moves too quickly through the stomach and intestines. It causes nausea, weakness, sweating, faintness, and possibly diarrhea soon after eating. These symptoms are made worse by eating highly refined, high-calorie foods (like sweets). In some cases you may become so weak that you have to lie down until the symptoms pass.

sounds like fun huh?

Risks common to all surgeries for weight loss include an infection in the incision, a leak from the stomach into the abdominal cavity or where the intestine is connected (resulting in an infection called peritonitis), and a blood clot in the lung (pulmonary embolism). About one-third of all people having surgery for obesity develop gallstones or a nutritional deficiency condition such as anemia or osteoporosis.

its not worth the risks, go to tharpy for your knee, slowly build it up and talk to your doc again, if need be get refered to a specalist on joints and find out what you can do. there is no real need to consider sergery.

I can encourage you all you like, so can everyone else on this board, but you have to make the final decision as to weither or not your going to change.

look at me, I have ankylosing spondylitis! my spine is slowly fusing into one solid peice of bone! sounds like fun dosent it? I am not letting it get me down, I exercise every day and I do everything I can to keep my spine moble to prevent this fusing. if it does happen I will figure out a way around it, the doctors tell me its not possable, I am headed for a wheel chair but I dont care what they say, I will get through this and I will be the person I want to be! heck I just took a job on a construction site, my weight and back both say I shouldnt be able to do it but I start the monday after next. its what I want to do that counts, thats what should count for you as well.

do you really want to have surgery? do you want to be laid up for 3-5 weeks and have all the other possable side affects? also it takes 1-4 years for you to lose the weight. I bet you could do it in half that time if you just put your mind to it.

just get out there and do it, thats about all I can say right now.

best wishes all

[depressedcrow21]

I anit depressed or anything. But I am going to tell you I just feel like I can't loose it for some reason. I try to get out there and do it but I find it to hard. I tried walkign the other day up at the park. I walked the track twice and walked home(also walked up there) by the time I got back my knees was hurting so much they was stiff. It seems anything I try to do I get hurt doing. I am slowly playing ddr more each day.when I anit playin monster hunter. Also I am only eating when I am hungry not when I think I am hungry. I am also cutting out the mid night snacking. Also when I do need to snack during the day I make sure its healthy like apples, oranges, Necterians, and all kinds of fruit and even veg. See I am trying to cange soem things. I am thinking of also getting soemthing like stacker 2 ephdrien free ya know. But thats just how I am ya know. Oh talon you have been a good friend on these bords.

[The Charming Canuck]

Have you considered Lap band suergery? It is a lot easier to reverse and I don't think you will have as many problems as you would with a gastric bypass. Lap band they put like a rubber band, essentially, around your stomach and then they can move it to the nessacary spot in your stomach to create a pouch that will make you feel full. You will have to do a liquid diet for two weeks still and then you will have to eat a lot less. prolly only a cup of food at a time. You have to give up Soda, cause it is not a good thing to your tummy and sugars like candy n stuff. Essentially you will have to do almost the same things as with a gastric bypass. It is a serious surgery and shouldn't be taken lightly. It sounds like you are doing good with eating good things for you and only eating when you are hungry but you should be eatign five small meals a day, also try not to eat real close to your bed time. I hope you start to lose soon.

Before you take any pills try to drink a liter full bottle of green tea every morning. I use loose leaf, I need to start drinking it more, anyways it will boost your metabolism and give you energy. heh that is debatable by some but I know cause it works for me, and I believe in natural medicine before anything else. I say always try something natural before going chemical. Also I hear hoodia is a good supplement as well. You can get it at GNC or any healthfood store like GNC. Anyways keep trying you will lose something evetually.

[ImpFreak7]

I have to agree with wings and talon. I would only consider surgery as a very final option. There are so many risks associated with the surgery, and it sounds like the after effects make you absolutely miserable. If I were you, I'd keep up with my diet, and try to exercise as much as I think I could handle, and stick with it for some time before going the surgery route.

As far as the diet pills, I've never used them myself, so I can't really comment on them, but wings has a good point with the green tea. More and more studies are finding good things about green tea. It helps prevent cancer, it supresses appetite, it boosts metabolism, etc. I need to start drinking more green tea myself! And if you don't like to drink it, I know places like GNC sell green tea extract in pill form.

You can do it!

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wings said:

Also I hear hoodia is a good supplement as well. You can get it at GNC or any healthfood store like GNC.

I did some research on Hoodia a while back and found this article by the BBC to be extremely interesting. Most interesting quote to note is this:

Unfortunately for the overweight, Hoodia will not be around for several years, the clinical trials still have several years to run.

And beware internet sites offering Hoodia "pills" from the US as we tested the leading brand and discovered it has no discernible Hoodia in it.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/correspondent/2947810.stm

Sorry to dissapoint.

[The Charming Canuck]

Wow I didn't know that, hmm but you can't believe everything you read. I have heard that they use hoodia in Africa, like the plant itself, to take away the pain of hunger since they don't have tons of food. It makes the hunger not so present. Basically an appetite suppresent.

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well it does work, this is true, but it hasn't passed drug testing yet. BBC I find to be extremely trustworthy and reliable as a source...much more so than I would ever believe Fox or CNN or CSPAN or NBC etc lol

[depressedcrow21]

I will look into that Lap band suergery it sounds so much better than staples .. Oh and I don't eat candy any way and I drink more water than soda. I only drink soda every now and than.

[The Charming Canuck]

Then you may like KUOW www.kuow.org you can listen to it live stream. I don't trust those sources either they are to corporate for me. Large corparations tend to report on things that are in their best interest.

Lap band should still be a last resource, I think that you should keep on for a little while longer, oh and in order to qualify most Doctors will require that you lose 75-100 pounds first just a heads up. I know people that have had Gastric bypass and lap band and both their doctors had them lose weight first.

[talon]

hey everyone, sorry I havent been around much as of late, starting a new job and trying to get ready, anyways, on to business.

natural before chemical is always best in my opinion but please do keep in mind that there are powerfull drugs in nature to, just because somthing is all natural dosent mean its safe. with that said I would recomend getting a book on herbs (I have a couple, they are great) and their midicnal uses, after you have read up a bit you can talk to your doctor about trying out a couple for what ever is bothering you (like your knees) I do also have a theory about your knees, I am guessing you wernt very active before you started to lose the weight, that means that your muscles spent alot of time in atrophy (I think thats the right word, someone correct me if not) and now that you are trying to use them again they are complaining. just take it slow, try to walk around your block each day, if you knees still give you trouble try some ice (3 mins on 5 mins off) and keep up with your DDR.

diet pills are just placiblo's, I dont belive any of them really work, I have tried a few and the only thing they did was give me indegestion. honestly for my money I will drink green tea, (Iced green tea is AWSOME!! message me if you want a home made recipe) and all the watter I can handle.

now then a surgery is still a surgery, no matter how you look at it, someone is going to cut you open, polk around, and in this case, leave somthing inside you that wasent there before. somehow I dont think my body would like that to much, I doubt yours would either. I know it seems hard but we are all here for you, just trust me on this one, you want to avoid sergery at all costs unless its a life or death situation.

eating healthy and eating what your body needs are two seperate things. I know your trying to lose weight so please keep in mind that your body does require certain things. I am no expert on the matter but I do know you need omega-3 fatty acids, vitamins (are you taking a mulit? because you should be) and of course nutrents. if you can, ask your doctor for a referal to a local dietitian, I have gone to one and it really helped me to figure out what I should be eating.

anyways I gota go here, best wishes and talk soon.

[The Charming Canuck]

talon said:

natural before chemical is always best in my opinion but please do keep in mind that there are powerfull drugs in nature to, just because somthing is all natural dosent mean its safe.

Ephedrarine, heh that is natural and not safe for everyone. They use it in China for people who have asthma, or so I have heard.

[depressedcrow21]

Yes I am on a multi vit. I know surgery should be last and I am trying to make that. I am not eating utill i am compltely full ya know. I make sure I eat good portions . Like I said I am sticking to the good stuff. Know I have had some doritos but I make suer its a serving size or lower. I dont eat a whole nunch. but I did last night when watiching a movie, But thats been my only slip

[The Charming Canuck]

www.bariatricedge.com
this will give you a lil info on the surgery and if you qualify and what to do to get started but I am tellign you leave it as a last resort.

[crow]

Just Lettign you know I am no longer Depressed Crow now It's just crow

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crow said:

Just Lettign you know I am no longer Depressed Crow now It's just crow

And that's an excellent start!

[crow]

I am actually feeling better about myself since I truned 21