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Post by Spooty Biscuit on Oct 18, 2006 21:44:02 GMT -5
www.inthegroove.com/page/Press_ReleaseI dunno about you, but I don't like it. ITG, while a great dancing game, didn't do well in the markets. I'm just praying they don't kill the game. "It was further agreed as a part of the settlement that Roxor would respect Konami’s intellectual property rights." Does this mean that the four-arrow set-up is now considered property of Konami?
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Post by abrannan on Oct 18, 2006 21:52:42 GMT -5
www.inthegroove.com/page/Press_ReleaseI dunno about you, but I don't like it. ITG, while a great dancing game, didn't do well in the markets. I'm just praying they don't kill the game. "It was further agreed as a part of the settlement that Roxor would respect Konami’s intellectual property rights." Does this mean that the four-arrow set-up is now considered property of Konami? It probably goes beyond the four arrow setup, there's the arrow coloring, mods, life bar, and any number of other things that are far too similar between ITG and DDR for any legal comfort. At least PIU can hids behind the 5 arrow setup and non color-cycling arrows. ITG couldn't. What it means is that you might hope for an ITG song or two in the next DDR mix, but it's unlikely anything beyond that will ever see the light of day again. |
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Post by Spooty Biscuit on Oct 18, 2006 21:56:45 GMT -5
Ack, those words make my eyes bleed.  Well, I'll be praying for the survival of ITG. Some people are arguing that would be stupid to kill it as it attracted a very different audience from DDR and is currently a big money maker. I'm just hoping this is how it goes. ITG = 3x better than DDR (IMO) |
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Post by psisar on Oct 19, 2006 2:51:00 GMT -5
Doesn't Adnamiro still pay royalities to Konami for PUI?
This could go either way. They could drop the whole ITG franchise all together, or they could use their exisiting notariaty to promote ITG and actually make it better (as far as new console and arcade releases) ITG hasn't been doing very well because it's essentially tageted towards more experienced players. If Konami does keep going, they may try to up that production. Plus, Konami didn't inherit all of Roxor, just the rights to ITG, meaning the same game/music developers should stay on with the project (provided they want to, I've heard some sketchy things about Roxor paying their productionists; but thats another can o' worms)
Not to say I like the idea, at all (I really hope they don't stop all development of ITG whatsoever) but hopefully it won't turn out so... bad. Hopefully.
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Post by xstatic on Oct 19, 2006 6:24:03 GMT -5
Well....being that konami still hasn't learned from their mistakes with their newest release, I have the ultimate feeling of dread here. I mean....WTF is SO BAD about having arrows match the color of the beat?.... What is SO BAD about using different speeds? ITG encouraged mods.... DDR kinda gives em to you but shuns them. Every sponsored DDR tournament I have been in has been a NO MODS tourney....which just fucks the whole competition up.
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Post by Spooty Biscuit on Oct 19, 2006 8:23:36 GMT -5
I'm kinda siding with the people who say "Konami would be stupid to change/kill ITG". After all, while the basic concept of 4-arrow pads and scrolling arrows is the same, that's really the only thing that's the same. It's still different enough that they probably couldn't really try fusing ITG + DDR together without disasterous results. It's still different enough from DDR to carry on as its own series... Anyway, from what I've read, there seems to be 3 popular theories going around on ITG's future... 1) They continue it as it is, and if anything it benefits from having a larger funding... Perhaps we'll see a few L.E.D songs or something, and that'd be fine. 2) They try to make it DDR. As I said, I think this is a bad idea, as I think they're really too different. 3) They just kill it. Completely possible, as some companies buy competing products just so they can take them off the line. Of course, even if Konami would be stupid to kill ITG... Major corporations are known to do some pretty stupid things.  |
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Post by abrannan on Oct 19, 2006 8:27:15 GMT -5
Okay, so I've thought about this a bit more... Here's my guess(es):
ITG Cabs in existence will end up getting new Marquees with the Konami marking, along with a new revision that will kill the ability to play whatever songs you want (i.e. the whole linux boot thing). That feature just open Konami up to too much liability from the Music Industry, the very people they're courting to get song licenses.
ITG2 console version will eventually get shipped (since there can't be much development left to do) as DDR:In the Groove. It will be a very small print run (why take the risk of a large print run?), be plagued with issues (They'll just slap whatever code is there together and not do a whole lot of QA)
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Post by abrannan on Oct 19, 2006 8:29:40 GMT -5
WTF is SO BAD about having arrows match the color of the beat?.... What is SO BAD about using different speeds? ITG encouraged mods.... DDR kinda gives em to you but shuns them. Every sponsored DDR tournament I have been in has been a NO MODS tourney....which justf**ks the whole competition up. Well, think about why you use those mods... To make the songs easier to pass. A no mods tournament puts everyone on the same level, there's no "Well, I AAA the song at 1x with Flat, but she AAA it at 3x with no color mods. Mine was 'harder', so I should win" nonsense. Yes, it's a double post, but I'm the moderator, and I'm ruling it's okay  -It's good to be the king. |
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Post by Spooty Biscuit on Oct 19, 2006 8:32:44 GMT -5
Yeah, even if they end the ITG series, they'd be REALLY stupid not to at least release ITG2 PS2. Beta versions have been out for a while, so I'm thinking it was probably almost done.
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Post by legend on Oct 19, 2006 14:10:36 GMT -5
to be honest I think ITG will bw better then ever now that Konami has control of it, now I know lots of you think the exact opposite of what I think, but I have always liked DDR better then ITG. So lets see some ITG J-pop.
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Post by abrannan on Oct 19, 2006 14:18:41 GMT -5
to be honest I think ITG will bw better then ever now that Konami has control of it, now I know lots of you think the exact opposite of what I think, but I have always liked DDR better then ITG. So lets see some ITG J-pop. This is based on a big assumption; That Konami will do anything with the ITG brand other than put out what's already coded and kill it off. I admit, it would be nice to have the two brands (DDR for casual/popular play and ITG for "hardcore" players), but the dance game market is just too small for this kind of split to be effective. |
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Post by DougNoTronik on Oct 20, 2006 15:20:16 GMT -5
If you ask me, this sets a precedent such that all RTS makers can get sued by the original, and all dual stick controllers can get sued by the first to do it, and the d-pad is copyright nintendo, and unreal etc gets sued by wolfenstein. This was in the very spirit of enhancing a genre. Credits for step makers, usb stats databases, and screenshots just to name a few!
I'm Doug and I'm out of Heeeeeere...
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Post by abrannan on Oct 20, 2006 19:13:13 GMT -5
It all depends on how the patents are worded, and whether or not a patent was taken out at all. Sony was successfully sued over DualShock, while Nintendo and Microsoft properly licensed and paid for the technology. "Enhancing a Genre" as you put it, doesn't give you a free pass on patented technology. And what constitues an enhancement anyway? My arrows are made in colors that are color blind friendly? My cabinet has an external volume control?
While I agree that the state of current patent law is a godawful mess, until somebody changes the law, it is what it is.
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Post by sakura on Oct 20, 2006 23:44:56 GMT -5
ITG with backround dancers, announcers and j pop.
whoopie(in an outragously non-enthusiastic way)
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Post by NESCartFanatic on Oct 21, 2006 14:27:35 GMT -5
I must say, Roxor rules for releasing the r21 upgrade before announcing the news. I've been making my own songs and charts to play and what a whole new level it is, playing your own stuff.
Mucho fun!
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Post by Spooty Biscuit on Oct 22, 2006 9:16:19 GMT -5
to be honest I think ITG will bw better then ever now that Konami has control of it, now I know lots of you think the exact opposite of what I think, but I have always liked DDR better then ITG. So lets see some ITG J-pop. ...To that, I reply... You DO know that America is a western civilization and culture, and believe it or not, not everyone in America likes J-Pop and songs that have a quiet little asian woman speaking something something we can't understand with *THUMP THUMP THUMP THUMP* in the background? Something I personally liked about ITG is it DIDN'T have any J-Pop. I might be one of the few, but I thought that Kyle's, A.K.A. KaW/KBit/Symphonius/Banzai/Inspector K/  , music was actually good stuff, and a good break from the usual musical styles found in DDR. If ITG went more J-Pop... That'd be one aspect of ITG I liked better down the toilet. And as Andrew said, you're working on the big assumption that Konami doesn't start burying ITG.. whether it's still alive or not. |
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Post by legend on Oct 22, 2006 9:41:58 GMT -5
I ment I wanted a happy medium between the two, like all of Kyle Ward's songs and some J-pop but not to much, I just think it might be neat to have both in the same game.
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Post by xstatic on Oct 22, 2006 11:50:20 GMT -5
Doug and I are on our way out the door to go play the fuck out of our ITG2 dedicab...before it goes bye bye forever. ;__;
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Post by Spooty Biscuit on Oct 22, 2006 12:01:22 GMT -5
Good plan. I'm going back to my arcades next weekend and playing the crap out of it. You never know what Konami's plans for them are, so they might not be there much longer. |
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Post by Spooty Biscuit on Oct 29, 2006 22:09:16 GMT -5
youtube.com/watch?v=Y9xACF-cohkIf ITG (assuming it's continued) starts having crap stepcharts like this now that Konami's got it, I officially give up playing doubles. Those crossovers at the end... I'd put them under the "just about impossible" category. Not at all fun, just plain painful and annoying. Ok, maybe I'm being a bit much of a typical Konami-hating ITG fanboy, but still...
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, music was actually good stuff, and a good break from the usual musical styles found in DDR. If ITG went more J-Pop... That'd be one aspect of ITG I liked better down the toilet.